1/2: Team France [FRA] vs Team Germany [GER]

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#39
admin
Play or leave satan.
19.01.2019 - 17:00 CET.
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#38
[OwNu] BounD
Still more bullshit from a Baguette :c
#37
[Fs] Fabi
"Wer sowas macht, hat [Warcraft III] nie geliebt" - Rudi Völler
#36
[FRA] SaTan
"didn't ask for a postpone, i asked for a shedule where both teams, agree with, to have all players that are needed for being available to play."

The name of that, you want or not is " postpone " since there's a pre-chosen match day , you can call it " Schedule " but it is a postpone before anything else . So stop to play on words for Nothing.

I already told you its hard beside during the Week end to have all players here together at the same time, and this Sunday as for the next Week end, i'll lack of a lot of my players .

So when you say that " ''hey, we have all players ready tuesday 21 cet, germany too, we decided to play that day, because otherwise, the clanwar can't happen.'

Maybe I first would've needed a DAY for it ?? which i'm not sure to have in a near future.

" complaining about that it is not easy to find dates for every player etc, didn't you been aware of that case BEFORE you decided to manage those? like ? did you really not know that this can happen?. let someone else manage then, if you think thats too much to ask for. "

Lol biggest joke ever man . First I never complained I just explained you the situation and secondly :

How is that your problem actually ? Its not us who wasnt here at the default time, its you dont alternate the roles please
From the time I provide a full line up for the defaulttime / and we are able to play some matches during the Week for the eventual postponed matches in the regular seasons, we dont need to be more available than that in a league.


"i will talk to syde on discord to find a date with him to play this cw. because i think we don't get forward trying to explain you anything. i talked to moes already, and hes agreeing with me. "


Talk to syde, anima and moes if you want, you're way to stubborn so maybe when you'll see their availabilities for the incoming days doesnt match together you'll maybe finally understand and get over it.
#35
[Muhl] EnTe
We are not 12 years old anymore satan. Everyone works. everyone has business to do. or even family. i didn't ask for a postpone, i asked for a shedule where both teams, agree with, to have all players that are needed for being available to play. is that too much to ask for?`to play at a day where people are online? i don't care if the playoffs tell me that it has to be played saturday, when clearly noone is being able to be there. and thats nothing about having a smaller rooster. if we would invite more german players, guess what, almost everyone works saturdays? so all your excuses doesn't work. All your words trying to sneak around a simple thing: ''hey, we have all players ready tuesday 21 cet, germany too, we decided to play that day, because otherwise, the clanwar can't happen.'' do i really have to give examples of how a proper sheduling works in a world where people don't go to school no more? and complaining about that it is not easy to find dates for every player etc, didn't you been aware of that case BEFORE you decided to manage those? like ? did you really not know that this can happen?. let someone else manage then, if you think thats too much to ask for.

i will talk to syde on discord to find a date with him to play this cw. because i think we don't get forward trying to explain you anything. i talked to moes already, and hes agreeing with me.
#34
[FRA] SaTan
You are like this 10 years old kid who Always lose his stuffs and who will blame his parents for it with w.e bullshits Reasons, instead to turn responsible and take care of his stuffs himself like an adult.

By that I mean, how come , the germany with the lot of players active ( way more than the amount we are in France ) cannot even seed a single player and that for two clan war in a row?

Doesnt it come to your mind that's a miss calculation from your admins ?
Doesnt it come to your mind that its their mistake for not thinking about it before the season started -- Or realise it ( even if late ) after the last cw where they just had noone here ?
Are you sure theses admins was the best you guys could've had for this competition ?


But it's easier for weak humans like you to come here and cry because I dont accept the postpone, and to avoid to answer the right questions ;)
Turn adult and responsible, is what I wish you for this new year ;)

Postpone a cw is a last resort thing, yet you guys use it as if it was a classic tool to avoid your lack of players in your roster.

#33
[FRA] SaTan
EnTe , you dont understand the problem :

When you ask me to postpone a full clan war , theses are the things i've to consider before to give an answer :

- my roster is composed of 70% of inactive players.

- Every single Week, it was hard to find a line up that would be here for the matches day.
I dont even have the same reccurent players from a Week to another.

- I only know my players availabilities from 5-6 days before an hypothetical match.

- Today we couldnt play too because moes not available , anima neither and zeiko wasnt sure to be here.

- Everyone else I didnt mentionned here is currently inactive.

- In playoffs we arent allowed to split the cw

- Last point and more concerning This saturday two of my players told me they wouldnt be there the next week end for an hypothetic final. And I had no idea about the other players .

With all of that, how can you think that I could've accepted a postpone and take the risk to give u the defwin because we would be unable to play ?

I mean seriously man, I accept to postpone if its possible, I dont have to put myself in troubles just to accept the postpones , are you on drugs or what ?

Postpone a whole CW is a SERVICE , and as a service I'll grant it only if I can; Not if it cost me to be snowballed behind.

I already granted you it three weeks ago because we could split the cw , did you thanked me ? Of course not, you think that's normal , and you dont give a fuck if that can be complicated for us or not when I accept this request because if we refuse you'll just turn toxic and try to looks like a poor victim to who we refuse to play .


I took the decision to go safe, and to add many players to avoid to not have a line up rdy for the matchs day .

You took the decision to give your destiny and the responsability of your lack of players to the other team-admins and that every single Week.

So tell me MR.Genius : Why dont you ask your admin why two CWs a row you've 0 Players for the default time ?
Isnt that way to risky , even more when you know you'll have to play the playoff all on saturday ?
Isnt that a more legitimate question to ask instead to come and blame me ?

So dont come and blame me, go blame your admins for not being able to have a line up rdy every saturday , with the amount of german players on war3 .



#32
[Muhl] EnTe
you don't get it satan, the playtime may was fix, but that doesn't mean that we can't shedule LOL. what can the league do? ban both teams? because another date has to be found, otherwise no clanwar is happening?. that's what i mean with no brain. use your brain satan, just use it. find a sheduled time to play this clanwar and stop #care a date where cw can't be happening lol
#31
[OwNu] BounD
Deine Mama ist useless du Drecksbaguette
#30
[FRA] SaTan
From the time you've 0 argument to back up your words, and you arent able to answer my question , you just prove that you dont know what youre talking about, you just write to write, you're useless.
#29
[OwNu] BounD
I already mentioned it makes no sense
To discuss with you since you re talking bullshit 24/7
#28
[FRA] SaTan
See ? 0 argu, you cant even answer me , so stay quiet for ever, if you've Nothing to say kid ;)
#27
[OwNu] BounD
Cry a bit more pls
You re acting like wc3 is your life
And stop Talking bullshit 24/7 Mister baguette
#26
[FRA] SaTan
Its dramatic, because you dont even consider if we're available/ if we've enought players to play etc,

Let me ask you one question , and I would like you or ente to answer it with all the lucidity you've
From the time you see that I seed an inactive player in my line up for a semi final as I had to do for the whole season, when I didnt had my 4 mains players ( and even one of them is inactive too btw) - How can you even think that we're more comfortable in postponing/reseeding or anything that you guys can be ?

All you did was talking about you, and your team, not a single time one of you realised that for the whole season including the semi final I had to seed inactive players , did I blamed any of the other team for my problem ? No , I just Added more (inactive) players to my roster to Always have a chance to send a line up of 3 players each Week.

So how can you even blame me for your lack of organisation, when I myself have trouble to find 4 optimal players just for the default time ?

You guys just have the " defwin " in head and you dont even think, you're being egoist and insulting while my roster is nowhere more comfortable than your. The only difference is that I
dont say it every Week , its my problems, and I've no Reason to share it with the other teams, from the time I can use inactive players to reseed. And at the end, I Always have 3 players seeded/ready to play for the match even if they arent the best players I could've had that day, but its my problem and i'll not blame the other for that, you need to mature up, and stop to blame the world for your mistakes, you need to be responsible.
every Week, and I Always try to have 3 players here however they arent the best.

players seed in line up for a semi final, do you think that i've a tons of players to form a line up / have them all on one day
#25
[OwNu] BounD
You re Talking bullshit 24/7 :D
#24
[FRA] SaTan
@Bound " And i dont understand the point when you, clearly the guy who is the orga of france, say you have no might :c "
I think you want'd to write "right" and not "might" , if so I said that in answer to ente who basically said I decided for both teams the time/date.
I Indeed have no right to decide the default date/time nore the format etc, being the manager of one of the teams doesnt give us the "league admin" rank neither the right to decide when the match has to be played , I hope I clarified that part.
#23
[FRA] SaTan
"You can ofc agree a postponing cw so what are you even telling lul."
Dude I'll not postpone a cw if my players arent available , do you realize what you're asking ?
The default date is saturday 17cet on admin decision - germany cant be here and they ask to postpone, to a day my players arent available but I should still accept ? Then what, I dont have my players and i'll be in fault since I accepted a postpone to a day I dont have my players , why would I put myself in such a situation when we're here the default date ? please tryna be a bit objective even if you're from germany.
#22
[OwNu] BounD
Ente is just Right. I guess its something different in france where people have no work on saturday.
Rip Germany in this case cuz we have to work mostly 6 days per week.
And i dont understand the point when you, clearly the guy who is the orga of france, say you have no might :c
You can ofc agree a postponing cw so what are you even telling lul.

But w/e it will take to much power to discuss with you.
So gl hf getting raped by sweden.
GoGoGo SWEDEN!
#21
[FRA] SaTan
Also , why dont you have more players in your roster ?
during the season there has been couple of time when my main roster wasnt here, and I didnt blamed the other team for it, I just Added more players and made different line up.
If you guys decide to just register with 5-6 players when there's no limit max you actually take a risk if your main roster isnt here.
U'll blame me for that too ?
As I said in my previous statement you lack of impartiality EnTe , your managers should've Added more players if you guys are Always working on saturday ( during our last cw you also were unable to show the match day, this time I had postponed, it was the regular season not the playoffs which make it doable )

This is crazy because the last cw i accpted your whole cw postpone to help you, once again you ask for it, and i'm not able to do it so you come blame/insult me ?

Man seriously, I'm not forced to postpone everytime your 5 main players arent HERE even more if my players arent available ! I did it once because it was doable , now it isnt, and you blame me ? lol its your fault if you're never here saturday you Fucking cant blame the other teams for that, we postpone when we can, but if we cant, you've to deal with it omg.
#20
[FRA] SaTan
Lol, Ente you're totally confused there..

Let me clarify everything for you instead to see you say a bunch of nonsense :

" YOU force a clanwar to be happening at a time, where noone can play so that no clanwar is being able to be played??????????????????????? "

I didnt forced anything , the ones who forced the match are the staff of the league who settled the match on saturday 17cet . I dont have any power to decide when a match is played.
Also, you're wrong when you say "no one can play so that no clanwar is being able to be played" our players was actually there at 17cet saturday, only germany had noone online , because I had my players.here.

So if you've someone to blame about that, you should contact the league admin, i've no power to decide the default date/time , even more if its the playoffs .


"and you force a team where 3/4 players work at that day?"

Again I didnt forced anything, I dont have the right of that and i'm not league admin.
The cw has been scheduled at 17cet saturday, germany asked to postpone to today, and I've litteraly noone online today , so I logically cannot accept that.. You need to show a bit of impartiality EnTe , From the time i'm not the one deciding the default date - time // and I dont have players today to postpone, how can u even blame me lol, i'm not gulty if you've noone for the playoffs man …. Im not the LEAGUE admin .

"who are you to make such decisions you clown?"
I didnt made ANY Decision again I dont even know what you're talking about : The league admin decide a date/time for the playoff and the teams has to show on , that's pretty much it , i've 0 control over anything.


i even bet every player, syde, moes, zeikoooo would def. agree with me to find a date to play this cw. otherwise you guys have lost all respect in my eyes, and will be treated so.

This is just a joke man. You are the one unable to come in CW , why the fuck are you even blaming me ? I'v 0 right to make any decision i'm only a team admin, how the hell can u talk about respect ?
So basically what you wantd me to do is to Schedule to today even i've noone here, so you can have the defwin ?

You are sincerely brain off ente… You are the one unable to play so you blame me ? What for ? Its not my fault if you've noone, and if we cant play today, so what ? you think we're available 24hours/24 ?

Wake up man, you dont make any sense , and you're using of big words out of context..
#19
[RaG] Nerzhul
This is the Real SATAN.
#18
[Muhl] EnTe
is that for real satan? like what am i looking at here? wc3 reforged is announced, leagues will come back, and you show sponsors a insight look into, how to NOT support wc3. YOU force a clanwar to be happening at a time, where noone can play so that no clanwar is being able to be played??????????????????????? have you lost your fucking brain? nonetheless whatever happend before and even after, a clanwar was to be sheduled, and you force a team where 3/4 players work at that day? who are you to make such decisions you clown? is any admins here that can please make sure that this kind of NONSENSE is being fixed? i don't even know if this league has any prize, and i dont mind.
What i do mind is, a french ''orga'' playing god.

i even bet every player, syde, moes, zeikoooo would def. agree with me to find a date to play this cw. otherwise you guys have lost all respect in my eyes, and will be treated so.

#17
[FRA] SaTan
(L) bound nice to see you around again
#16
[OwNu] BounD
mad satan noob
#15
[FRA] SaTan
Well. I hope you had fun Editing my messages , instead to enter a lineup and to show on.
cw "over" then.
#14
[FRA] SaTan
"On one hand you playing the "fair satan guy" agree in postpones. On the other hand, if its getting tight you looking for defwins? I know a guy who was always talking about other people being "hypocrite".

From the time you ask for postpone and you dont accept my offers for the postponed match, its logic that I owe the defwin if its not played lol this is Nothing hypocrite, its being just…

Its not like if I Had offered Nothing / refused all of your offers / played dead , in that case of course the nullfied match can be justified , you could even ask for the defwin in this scenario .

Dramaqueen
#13
[FRA] SaTan
" And overall its NOT about the 2n2 or our clanwar, its about YOU talking about people and telling stories public in a very wrong way. "

Lol its all about this cw and the 2x2 , if you didnt acted sneaky as you recognized in your last post , there wouldnt had been any " drama " man.

You rly need to stop to pee in a friendly hand when there's one.

Dramaqueen
#12
[FRA] SaTan
You knew we had only 3 possibles date : matchday + sunday + tuesday.
You knew beside theses 3 dates it would've been nearly impossible to agree on another date.
You knew all of that because I explained you it, I even asked you 2-3 times if you really couldnt have a line up on the match day. And I took the risk to accept hoping you would try to fit our availabilities , which you didnt.

So who care if you made a suggestion for the 6th january, or even if u had made one the 31 december ? from the time you refused all of my suggestions ? Your job was to fit one of theses 3 suggestions since you was in fault, not to suggest me a date during a period you already knew we wouldnt be available holly christ..

Dramaqueen
#11
[Fs] Drunkenwanken
Again you explaining wrong.
I even asked you for playing the 2n2 BEFORE deadline was set up, so what?
You always try to push people in the wrong way, cuz u r a dramaqueen.

And overall its NOT about the 2n2 or our clanwar, its about YOU talking about people and telling stories public in a very wrong way.




#10
[FRA] SaTan
You was more focused in finding a time/date that could fit ente/wan than finding two random players who could match my suggestions , this is your fail drunken.

Like, isnt it enough from me to postpone a whole CW when its the worst timing ever ?

How you dare calling me hypocrite ? I accepted everything from you the last CW just to fucking help you out.
I Postponed a WHOLE cw just for you .
I let you reseed without using your only WC so you can keep it in case vs PERU.

What the fuck did you do in return ? nothing .

Its easy to call other out, when you're doing nothing for them and you always ask them services.


"I talked to dopey about different cases with deadline, so i knew there will be freeze if no date will be found."


So what you're telling me is that , while I was hoping for you to match my offers, because it was our best shot to have the game played , you was checking with dopey if you could make me wait even more without any risk untill we find a date that fit wan ente ( who werent even the original 2v2 ) instead to accept my offers since you was originally in fault. I told you since the first time you asked for a postpone that new year/christmas was a problem but it seems that you dont give a fuck about my requiertment, as long as MR.Drunken has everything he want :) .


u're disgusting man, so you just had everything under control to be in the best situation possible, when you come from the worst ? to the point you made sure that in the last case the match would've been frozen , this is why u wasted so much time, and also why u refused my offers, because u made sure you had no risk, even if you knew that it would've been complicated for us to play from the time u refuse my offer.

You've 0 moral, you're sneaky as hell and I regret that I helped someone as vicious as you .
Dont worry you dont need anyone but yourself to destroy your personalitie / reputation .
#9
[Fs] Drunkenwanken
"Scammed by your co-manager"

Stop telling bullshit, lies, and making new drama.

I talked to dopey about different cases with deadline, so i knew there will be freeze if no date will be found. I didnt ask for any freeze, i actually tried to find a date to play the 2n2. Unfortunately we couldnt find agreement.

So what the fuck you want to tell me?
You destroy community and personalities with your bullshit and always making drama using big words for nothing.

On one hand you playing the "fair satan guy" agree in postpones. On the other hand, if its getting tight you looking for defwins? I know a guy who was always talking about other people being "hypocrite".

You are the hypocrite.

#8
[FRA] SaTan
All what I can offer :

1/ We can change the order of the matches if that helps you.

2/ I can agree for reseeds (as long as you dont seed a weaker player to reseed for a better).

3/ We can wait more between the BO3 to give the time to your players to arrive if they're late. ( but in priority I need to know approximatively at what time each map can be played to tell my players, and see if its doable from our side )

But I'll not agree for a postponed cw because I've no more trust in you, if some of my players arent here the day of the hypothetic reschedule, there's a risk you wont give the defwin(s) .

#7
[FRA] SaTan
@Jehu , Do you even read ?
The last time I accepted that, I got scammed by your co-manager , that doesnt give me the wish to postpone if it's to be punished after.
Its Nice and all to ask for postpone/reseed and everything , but even the relationships between team admins must be maintained. You cannot ask services as you do, and then act sneaky this is not how it works ( at least it doesnt works that way with me ).

So maybe try to rethink your way to act duing the next leagues break, rethink how you treat your relationship with the other team-admins , And I hope you'll have the maturity to sincerely apologize for drunkenwanken scam, if you ever want to rebuild a good Relationship between us , because for now I'm truely disapointed of you guys.
#6
Ls.Psike
lol Satan xD, but mb agree GL in the final.
#5
[Fs] Jehu
Well if you insist on playing on Saturday you will win by default since we can't provide a lineup.

However, if you do change your mind we would be glad to play next weekend as Skutt suggested (preferably on Sunday to avoid the same issue again).
#4
[FRA] SaTan
No need skutt ; Do I look like a masochistic or Something ? :D
there wont be any Full CW postpone anymore implying my team after what I experienced.

One time is enough for me to understand when my kindness can be used against myself. So no more.


Lets meet saturday at 5PM CET chan clan FRA.
#3
[SWE] Skutt
If you wanna play on the 19/20th thats fine, we wanna postpone our game to 25/26 :)
#2
[FRA] SaTan
Hello,
I lack of two of my best players sunday so it doesnt fit me at all.

That being said, you're cheeky to ask for that after how drunken managed our last deal of this kind.

In my conception of the things, it requiert the other team to have a minimum of moral when I accept to postpone a cw . if you're originally supposed to be defwin for a whole cw and if you cant accept my offers for one or more of the matches , the minimum's to give the defwin, not to ask for a "nullfied match" if we cant find an agreement after you couldnt play the match day + accept my other dates offer..
It doesnt have to cost me to be scammed in return, there shouldnt be any snowball when you offer a friendly hand.
#1
[Fs] Jehu
Hello France, unfortunately almost all our players are not available on Saturday. We have no other choice but to play on a different day. What about Sunday in the evening, any time you would prefer?

Mappool

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