NWC3L - New WarCraft 3 League

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What exactly strange? Death Trap - not popular yes, first candidate to change, but fresh and all know this map and it's most successful 4 players map if except tm and tr. Any way your suggestions on this place? Also mb other map strange too ? ;)

LUL REGGG#1

@15 you are sure to be german ? your german looks like my korean

I propose to open a vote to ban my comanager from this league.
Anyway SHISHA > UMAD : 15-0

#14 shisha im englischem ist hookah bro xD

anyway reggg can play every day any time hes avaible 24/7 wiht his shisha

1. saturday/Sunday is fine, well it doesnt rly matter since most games will be pre or postponed, so, if the cw start saturday, we will have time till saturday to finish those games.
2. adding some known maps as start maps would be nice, those others are rly annoying coz many guys dont know what to do there, etc, games getting boring.
3. depens on the number of teams playing this league, if 12, i would rate for 8 playoff teams, if 10 6 will be fine.
4.rules are fine tbh.
5. 3 month is fine, i mean if we get 12 teams it will be great.
6. admins doing a good job, keep it

Any comment of REGGG doesn't count since he can be available 1 sunday on 5.
However, he will can go to the Chicha Party the wednesday instead of the saturday, so all should be fine finally :)

1) default time should remain on sunday. since most teams / players can only play on that day. if some players can play on saturday they should be encouraged to prepone maps if possible since i'm sure that the teams that have some players around on that day would be willing. instead of changing the default time both leagues should just schedule their seasons such that the overlap between the 2 leagues is minimized as much as possible. It should not be too hard if both leagues plan things out such that the earliest that a league starts is when the other league's regular season is completed. The playoffs should be ok to overlap since we are just talking about a subset of teams at that point. From there we should of course be more leniency regarding postponing matches when playoffs are happening so that strange defwin situations do not occur. i say this for both leagues but most teams are understanding about this fact when playoffs are involved so it should be OK. Admins can enforce this sort of leniency quite easily.

2) the strange starting maps can be a bit annoying but overall i do not think that it is too big of a problem since g2 and g3 are on a decent enough map pool. the main problem is less about the maps and more about the fact that seeding tends to be useless since the maps on any given tend to result in random matchups every clan war. i do understand the reason for this though and support it which is why i have so little problem with this. i'm not sure how doing the opposite (normal starting maps with a few strange maps in the pool) will do things but it is worth a try. just expect the stranger maps to see very little use which is the problem that you tried to solve with the previous system.

3) 6 playoff teams is a bit better since i felt like last season's playoffs was a bit too much

4) new rules yay! the map pool is very strange to say the least... at least when only the starting map was strange but we will see how normal starting map + strange maps in the pool work! it never hurts to try as long as you explain your thought process to everyone.

5) i do not think that this is a problem as long as we continue to have flexibility with postpones. the fact of the matter is that a lot of players can only play 1 day a week so things get complicated real fast. certain leagues forget that most teams don't have the means to pay their players to force them to be available (and even money wouldn't work in most cases) whenever they want so we need to be mindful of real life and/or other events going on.

1 : Rly bad, only nerd nolife are available on Saturday
3 : 8 teams like season 5 is better

1. Just make saturday as an official clan war day and sunday to complete games not played, so that will be possible for most of teams to finish it the same weekend. But sometimes saturday can also be a bad day I agree, so a team has just to write in comment of the clan war to play it on sunday 48h before (something like that) and then CW is definetely scheduled on sunday (even if other team is mad/not agree :p)

2.3.4.5.... don't really care, this season was pretty nice ( groupstage: 1st map weird and 2nd/3rd map about a standart/fair mappool is really fun thing. But then maybe in playoff make a standart mappool since the 1st map, so everyone is happy about mappool :p)

I really support the idea of changing the default playday to any other day but sunday since, as you mentioned, wc3cl and gera cup is already on sunday and playing nwc3l simultaneously was always quite exhausting. Saturday is fine, but I would prefer something like wednesday :>

1. Default time of the match - i would split playday to 2 days, half of cws on saturday, other part on sunday, therefore we solve the problem with hosts (a bit)
2. Map pool - i like that format with dumb map as starting one and only default maps in mappool
3. Number of play-off teams - 1-2 places going semifinals, 3-6 places going quarterfinals
5. Question of stamina - based on number of teams, cw every week, 8-12 weeks then play-offs. Its perfect

1. saturday is pretty bad imo, most people will have some reallife action there. stay old time.
2. most players want to have standart maps @ startmap. same with mappool ( like gera cup )
3. depening on the amount of teams in groupstage. So wait till number of teams for next season is fix and then decide if 6 or 8 teams going to playoffs.
4. idk :D
5. the distance of season doesnt matter for us

EI is ud map vs hum, because no goblin observatory, very small, easy to push, nowhere to creep 2nd/3rd hero for hum. Best "hum" map vs ud is Amazonia with that pool.

I would prefer to leave TR and remove AI.
I'm against DT, CK.

About changes in pool:
removed TR = good for ud, elf, orc
removed TS = good for elf, hum
removed MV = good for orc, hum
So 2 hum maps removed
1 ud map removed
2 BAD maps added!

also AI = boring games

I suggest to use chinese ladder mappool. 8 maps = AI AZ TS EI TR SV TM LR

And if you want to minimize imbalance then remove AI+TS from that pool. That would result into not human mappool, but at least every map is playable.

About physical stamina. Even that season was exhausting for SQK. Longer (with same frequency of CWs) = harder.

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4. Please be attantion - "map pool is exemplary". And you going to play hu x ud all season long? Not forget that it's 16 match ups not 1. Also need find balance, not hum priority because in past season - AI, TR - TS, MV - with one veto was very scary in most cases. In current map pool - AI veto for hum, EI veto for und and other maps + - same quality, again for my opinion.

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5. Die during long season only one team, MKG said about disbandment in advance. Main "skeleton" of teams in safety i thik :fear: And it what's for need qualification - for seed "fast life" teams. I mostly mean mental stamina, mb physical for someone :D

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3. Here talk about number of teams which going play-off after group stage, not qualification.

Thx for adding Crystal Kingdom. Mappool is even more inhuman now.
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In HxU undeads doesnt event need veto! All maps are favoured to them. But for humans there are two impossible-to-win maps now (AI, CK).

1. Saturday is OK.

2. Definitely go with standard maps as starting maps. You can very clearly see how much player "love" the custom maps by how frequently they were choosing them during the season ;) Additionally, the problem with such maps is that you cannot predict who the other team will let play on each of these maps, since no one knows which map is good for which race. Thus, teams that can know what players the other team will have in line up have the advantage. For example, if a team has only 4 or 5 players they normally use in their starting line up, this team will be in disadvantage. Also let's not forget imba maktim factor, where maktim is able to select absolutely perfect line-up for Dx in every match ;)

3. No idea how you plan to organize the qualifiers, so no opinion.

4. I agree with imba agent. The map pool looks pretty imbalanced. Not sure why TS which is standard map in absolutely every self-respecting league and tournament has been removed.

5. Again, imba agent is right. It was very clearly seen during last season. The longer the season is, the fewer teams will be able to finish it. Additionally, some teams like MKG and OwNu played most of their matches with very inconsistent line ups, because their players were not available. Shorter season is better for everyone.

1. saturday=good
2. make fun map contest to include fun maps to lineups (because this is fun league)
3. 6 is the best without randomizing at playoffs. top1/2 should autoadvance to 2nd round
4. every hum map was removed -_-
undeads occupied all the tops at last season, but new mappool even more undeadish
5. 1/4 of the teams will die during long season